New Podcast: 🗣️ Talking About Talking: Why Speech & Language Needs More Than Lip Service

If you spend any amount of time in a school, you’ll hear phrases like “We’re a reading school,” “Reading is at the heart of everything we do,” and “Don’t forget to Drop Everything And Read.”

Lovely stuff.
Very wholesome.
Children surrounded by books like tiny, chaotic librarians.

But here’s something we don’t talk about nearly enough:
How on earth are children supposed to read, infer, decode, comprehend, or even guess what a fronted adverbial is… when they’re struggling to communicate in the first place?

Speech and language needs are one of the biggest, fastest-growing challenges in education — but you’d barely know it from how schools are resourced.
Reading gets posters, assemblies, badges, giant cardboard book characters, and possibly a parade.
Speech and language gets… well… usually a single overbooked specialist and a box of slightly frayed picture cards from 2007.


👧 A Personal Note: When Talking Doesn’t Come Easy

My own daughter was a late talker.

Not just “fashionably late.”
Not even “oh she’ll get there in her own time, love.”

No — properly late. The kind of late where you start Googling until your phone gently asks if you’re alright.

And in our case, her delayed speech was one of the first signs that something was different.
It eventually led to her autism diagnosis — and a whole new understanding of how much communication shapes a child’s world:

  • how they learn
  • how they play
  • how they make sense of other humans (an impossible task at the best of times)
  • and how they see themselves

So when I had the chance to speak with Jane Harris, CEO of Speech and Language UK, for my Make it Make SENDs podcast… I grabbed it.


🎙️ The Conversation We Need to Have

Jane is at the forefront of the national conversation about speech and language needs — and also at the forefront of reminding us that we’re not actually having the conversation loudly enough.

In the episode, we talk about:

  • why so many children are struggling with communication
  • why early identification is life-changing
  • how schools can support pupils even without a dedicated specialist
  • what’s wrong (and what’s hopeful) about current SEND reforms
  • why listening properly might be the most powerful intervention of all

She brings research, humanity, humour and — crucially — solutions.
Not just more paperwork (we’ve got more than enough of that, thank you).

▶️ Listen to the Episode

Make it Make SENDS #4 – Aiming for the Edges with Dr Shelley Moore. How inclusion REALLY works! Detention Diaries

In this conversation, Dan speaks with Dr. Shelley Moore about her journey in education, focusing on the importance of inclusive practices for students with disabilities. They discuss the challenges faced by the education system, the need for a shift from special education to inclusive education, and the significance of community and collaboration in fostering an inclusive environment. Dr. Moore shares her research findings and practical strategies for teachers to create inclusive classrooms, emphasizing the importance of understanding student needs and building agency. The conversation highlights the necessity of evolving Individual Education Plans (IEPs) to better support students and the overall educational community.TakeawaysInclusion is beneficial for all students, not just those with disabilities.Education systems need to evolve to meet the needs of today's diverse learners.Community and belonging are essential for student success.Teachers should start with the needs of the most vulnerable students.IEPs should focus on growth rather than fixing perceived deficits.Positive attitudes towards inclusion can transform educational practices.Flexibility in teaching methods is crucial for accommodating diverse learners.Research should guide educational decisions, not just tradition or opinion.Student agency is vital for meaningful learning experiences.Collaboration among educators, families, and communities enhances inclusion efforts.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Context of the Conversation02:29 Dr. Shelley's Journey in Education06:54 The Shift from Special Education to Inclusive Education12:06 Understanding the Education Crisis15:59 Research and Practical Applications in Inclusive Education23:59 Five Key Principles for Effective Inclusion30:41 Barriers in Education: The Role of Standardized Testing33:12 Permissible Prejudice: Understanding Discrimination in Education34:30 Rethinking Accessibility: The Bowling Metaphor in Education39:47 Creating Inclusive Learning Environments: A Case Study42:37 Empowering Student Agency: Making Choices in Learning48:43 Navigating Standardized Testing: Strategies for Success55:01 The Evolution of IEPs: From Medical Models to Inclusive Practices59:32 Practical Tips for Inclusive Teaching: Small Steps for Big Change💬 Join the Detention Diaries communityIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure to follow, like and subscribe wherever you listen — and share it with someone who cares about SEND and inclusion.For more stories, interviews and a healthy dose of British classroom humour, head to http://www.detentiondiaries.comand sign up for updates.Follow us on socials:📸 Instagram – @detentiondiaries▶️ YouTube – Detention Diaries🐦 X (formerly Twitter) – @DetentionDiariesSupport the showEnjoyed the episode? Then it’s time to join the class. 👉 Head to http://www.detentiondiaries.com to read the blog, sign up for the newsletter, and join our online staffroom community. Because education doesn’t end at the classroom door — and neither does the conversation.
  1. Make it Make SENDS #4 – Aiming for the Edges with Dr Shelley Moore. How inclusion REALLY works!
  2. Make it Make SENDs #3 – Talking About Talking: Jane Harris on Fixing the Speech and Language Crisis
  3. Make it Make SENDs #2 – Follow the Empathy Road: Educating for Inclusion with Ginny Bootman
  4. Make it Make SENDs #1 – The Autistic Advocate. It’s Not a SEND Crisis — It’s an Education Crisis
  5. Detention Diaries #3: From Classroom Chaos to Campus Calm: Training the Teachers of Tomorrow

😂 And Now For Something Mildly Ridiculous

Because this is Detention Diaries, I’ll leave you with something very British and very true:

If schools treated speech and language support the way they treat reading, we’d have:

  • a “Talkathon Week”
  • assemblies where teachers dramatically pronounce syllables
  • posters saying “Talking Takes You Places!”
  • and a dedicated display board titled “Our Oracy Champions” featuring a photo of that one kid who never stops chatting and has far too much confidence for a Monday morning.

Honestly, I’m not saying it would fix everything.
But I’m also not not saying that.


Thanks for reading — and a massive thank-you to Jane Harris for joining me on the podcast and for the vital work she continues to do for children, families and schools.

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Because sometimes, the most important conversations start long before the reading book even


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