New Podcast: What Canada Gets Right About Inclusion: My Conversation with Dr. Shelley Moore

This week on the podcast, I had the absolute privilege of speaking with Dr. Shelley Moore — educator, researcher, consultant, inclusion specialist, and all-round force of nature in the world of SEND. I knew the conversation would be good… but I wasn’t prepared for just how eye-opening it would be.

If you’ve ever felt frustrated, helpless, or downright confused by the way SEND provision works here in the UK, let me reassure you: you are not imagining it — and things can be done differently. Because in Canada, as Shelley explained, they’re not just tweaking the system or adding SEND as an afterthought…
They’ve brought inclusion into the heart of mainstream education, and the results are transformative.


“Inclusion isn’t a place. It’s a practice.”

One of the first things Shelley said stopped me in my tracks. In the UK, we often talk about inclusion as though it’s a room — a unit, a base, a separate space where children with additional needs are “included” by being placed somewhere else.

But Shelley’s framework flips that completely.

Inclusion is how we teach, not where we put people.

It’s not about fitting children into a system; it’s about designing a system flexible enough for everyone. Canadian educators aren’t perfect — no country is — but they’ve embedded a mindset that sees diversity as a strength, not a problem to be managed.


A System That Actually Welcomes Difference

In Canada, mainstream classrooms are built on a principle Shelley calls “teaching to the edges.” Instead of designing for the mythical “average” learner and bolting on support afterwards, teachers plan with the extremes in mind from the very start.

When the edges are included, everyone benefits.

As Shelley explained, inclusive practice isn’t just for pupils with SEND — it improves outcomes for:

  • multilingual learners
  • students with social, emotional, or behavioural needs
  • gifted pupils
  • students experiencing trauma
  • and yes, the so-called “typical” learner too

The UK loves a good label.
Canada loves a good strategy.

And honestly? It shows.


What the UK Can Learn (And Why We Should)

The thing that hit me hardest in our conversation was this:
Inclusion is not a luxury. It’s not optional.
It’s the foundation of great teaching.

Shelley talked passionately about how Canadian teachers are supported, trained and trusted to adapt, differentiate and design learning that works for the actual humans in front of them.

In the UK, we’ve become masters of paperwork.
Canada has become masters of practice.

Imagine what our classrooms could look like if:

  • every teacher received proper training in inclusive design
  • SEND wasn’t a bolt-on but part of initial teacher education
  • support wasn’t rationed or gatekept
  • curriculum and assessment were flexible enough to meet diverse needs
  • teachers were trusted to innovate rather than tick boxes

It’s not impossible. It’s happening somewhere else already.

And hearing Shelley describe it so clearly made me feel two things at once:
deeply inspired… and very aware of how far we still have to go.


A Personal Shift in Perspective

As a teacher, as a leader, and as a parent of a child with autism, this conversation genuinely changed the way I think about inclusion.

I’ve spent years hearing the phrase “mainstream isn’t the right place.”
But Shelley showed me that mainstream can be the right place — if mainstream changes.

And that’s the heart of her message:
The system must adapt to the child, not the other way around.

That’s inclusion.
That’s dignity.
That’s good teaching.

Make it Make SENDS #4 – Aiming for the Edges with Dr Shelley Moore. How inclusion REALLY works! Detention Diaries

In this conversation, Dan speaks with Dr. Shelley Moore about her journey in education, focusing on the importance of inclusive practices for students with disabilities. They discuss the challenges faced by the education system, the need for a shift from special education to inclusive education, and the significance of community and collaboration in fostering an inclusive environment. Dr. Moore shares her research findings and practical strategies for teachers to create inclusive classrooms, emphasizing the importance of understanding student needs and building agency. The conversation highlights the necessity of evolving Individual Education Plans (IEPs) to better support students and the overall educational community.TakeawaysInclusion is beneficial for all students, not just those with disabilities.Education systems need to evolve to meet the needs of today's diverse learners.Community and belonging are essential for student success.Teachers should start with the needs of the most vulnerable students.IEPs should focus on growth rather than fixing perceived deficits.Positive attitudes towards inclusion can transform educational practices.Flexibility in teaching methods is crucial for accommodating diverse learners.Research should guide educational decisions, not just tradition or opinion.Student agency is vital for meaningful learning experiences.Collaboration among educators, families, and communities enhances inclusion efforts.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Context of the Conversation02:29 Dr. Shelley's Journey in Education06:54 The Shift from Special Education to Inclusive Education12:06 Understanding the Education Crisis15:59 Research and Practical Applications in Inclusive Education23:59 Five Key Principles for Effective Inclusion30:41 Barriers in Education: The Role of Standardized Testing33:12 Permissible Prejudice: Understanding Discrimination in Education34:30 Rethinking Accessibility: The Bowling Metaphor in Education39:47 Creating Inclusive Learning Environments: A Case Study42:37 Empowering Student Agency: Making Choices in Learning48:43 Navigating Standardized Testing: Strategies for Success55:01 The Evolution of IEPs: From Medical Models to Inclusive Practices59:32 Practical Tips for Inclusive Teaching: Small Steps for Big Change💬 Join the Detention Diaries communityIf you enjoyed this episode, make sure to follow, like and subscribe wherever you listen — and share it with someone who cares about SEND and inclusion.For more stories, interviews and a healthy dose of British classroom humour, head to http://www.detentiondiaries.comand sign up for updates.Follow us on socials:📸 Instagram – @detentiondiaries▶️ YouTube – Detention Diaries🐦 X (formerly Twitter) – @DetentionDiariesSupport the showEnjoyed the episode? Then it’s time to join the class. 👉 Head to http://www.detentiondiaries.com to read the blog, sign up for the newsletter, and join our online staffroom community. Because education doesn’t end at the classroom door — and neither does the conversation.
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Why This Conversation Matters

If you work in education, care for a young person with SEND, or simply want to understand how schools should work, please listen to the full episode. Shelley’s insight isn’t just practical — it’s hopeful. And hope is something we all need right now.

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Final Thought

Dr. Shelley Moore reminded me that inclusion isn’t a destination.
It’s a habit. A belief. A choice we make every day in our classrooms, our schools, and our policies.

Canada is proving it’s possible.
Now it’s our turn.


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